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 Post subject: Incremental backup
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:19 pm 
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Any possibility of enhancing firmware so that 'Backup' checks for an existing backup and only adds those folders created since the last backup rather than backing up the entire database again? This definitely discourages regular backups! (Apologies if this is what actually happens but the manual does not say so if it does.)

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 Post subject: Re: Incremental backup
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:48 pm 
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What's up Viveka?
Comments left by some users here (back up stuff): viewtopic.php?f=11&t=537

With X10 you can do whatever you like......tell u what though increment backup on the X10 is preposterous (in my opinion), well if you have 10,000 albums and you wish to only backup 1200, how could one execute that ?
However if you decide to backup every 10 or 100 albums after ripping (as increment)- just import the files to an external NAS device or external HDD or .....network.
The default "music db backup" doesn't have to be the "backup folder" - do what you like :)
The device is tag-driven, even if you dump the whole lot in a "folder", it won't affect the MUSIC DB structure & programs like Itunes (iTOONZ :) ), WMP, VLC, Monkey..........


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 Post subject: Re: Incremental backup
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:44 am 
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When you are copying cassettes or vinyl via Aux input, the process takes quite a long time so it does seem sensible to backup say every 20 albums. Otherwise, if something goes wrong, there is an awful lot of rework to do.

What you say here is a bit technical (assumes we all know as much about the hardware/firmware as you do - speaking for myself, this is not the case!)

Are you saying that one can connect the X10 to a PC and copy just the new folders (named say '[0131] Sultans of Swing') across from the X10 HDD to the Backup folder on the drive where the original full backup was done? And that, if the X10 HDD is totally corrupted at some point in the future, one can then do a restore and everything (original backup and added new folders) will then be restored? If so, then that is good. But it still means disconnecting the X10 from the Hi-Fi system, taking it away and connecting up to a PC.

I must say that it doesn't seem unreasonable that the basic 'Backup' facility on the X10 should be able to backup everything OR just the new folders, depending on whether an existing backup exists or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Incremental backup
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:19 am 
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Viveka,
Hope u got the gist from the link I provided.
Back to the increment backup, u can do whatever you like.....
U don't have to disconnect from the hifi system, u can use the network or USB.
With X10 u can copy/delete/paste.......from anywhere......
For example:
"music db backup"
"my backup"
"increment backup........"
Or even '[0131] Sultans of Swing'


The point is you have a backup, thus if anything were to happen, your repertoire could be recovered.
Its all tag-driven, thus it doesn't matter even if you exported the files from the MUSIC DB collection and dumped the files in your own folder....elsewhere.

'[001]...........albums'
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'[0131] Sultans of Swing'
Itunes and windows media player will still recognise the music files as tagged music files not with the prefixed numbers.
If you experiment with the x10 you can create folders with the menu and copy files (backup) to a USB after ever rip.
Even on the HDD and then copy via SAMBA later or something........the kit is versatile.


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 Post subject: Re: Incremental backup
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:08 pm 
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Admin wrote:
With X10 you can do whatever you like......tell u what though increment backup on the X10 is preposterous (in my opinion), well if you have 10,000 albums and you wish to only backup 1200, how could one execute that ?


I would beg to differ. There are well-known algorithms for incremental backups. Using the embedded linux environment that already exists on the X10, one could use the rsync command, for instance.


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 Post subject: Re: Incremental backup
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:43 am 
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marriedto51 wrote:
Admin wrote:
With X10 you can do whatever you like......tell u what though increment backup on the X10 is preposterous (in my opinion), well if you have 10,000 albums and you wish to only backup 1200, how could one execute that ?


I would beg to differ. There are well-known algorithms for incremental backups. Using the embedded linux environment that already exists on the X10, one could use the rsync command, for instance.


rsync is good but not a given on all OS's.
I believe you can install a version on windows but that's putting an extra burden on lot on a lot of users who bought a nice music box without realising that they'd get a quick education in system admin!


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 Post subject: Re: Incremental backup
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:22 am 
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cajordan wrote:
rsync is good but not a given on all OS's.
I believe you can install a version on windows but that's putting an extra burden on lot on a lot of users who bought a nice music box without realising that they'd get a quick education in system admin!


Agreed ;) And rsync is not very user-friendly either, so while I'm happy using it, it's not a good solution for the "ordinary" X10 owner.

But what I was really suggesting was that the X10's developers look at implementing some sort of incremental backup on the X10 itself, and I mentioned rsync as one possible route to that.


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 Post subject: Re: Incremental backup
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:32 pm 
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Sorry - posted a reply yesterday but seems to have disappeared!

I'm sure the X10 is very versatile - provided that you know how to use it. You say there are lots of options for backing up all or part of the DB and I'm sure there are - but where are the instructions? I had copied maybe 250 albums when I made the complete backup. I have since added maybe another 50 and thought I should backup the additions. I know I can do this if I connect it physically to my Windows 7 PC. And if I were able to see the X10 HDD over the network from my PC, I could easily copy the new folders. But where are the commands on the X10 to select the 50 new folders and copy them if I just attach a USB drive? No way do I want to copy or export the 50 folders one at a time.

The X10 is certainly a powerful piece of equipment but I think that if it is to sell more widely (i.e to non-computer savvy individuals) then it needs to be a lot more user friendly. (And since I've worked directly with computers for the past 40 years, I consider myself reasonably knowledgeable.)

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 Post subject: Re: Incremental backup
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:38 am 
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I for one absolutely agree, I have posted in the past regarding not all owners are computer savvy.


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 Post subject: Re: Incremental backup
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:25 pm 
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AHHH incremental backup on the X10.

This was broken about 18 months ago by a firmware update and despite multiple requests, begging etc nothing has ever been done to resolve it.
It was easier for the technical team to discontinue the model than fix the problem.
Sad but true
It's put me off buying any of the other models.
A real shame


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